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EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: What Rest Are You Looking Forโฆ Know That God Will Hold You Accountable โ ย NECO Boss
โฆ.Says Council Canโt Afford To Start CBT Untilย Allย Infrastructuresย Are In Place
โฆ.Embraces AI As Part Of 3-Strategic Development Plan For NECO
By Idowu John Bakare and Akinkunmi Olawunmi
FLOWERBUDNEWS:ย ย ย Ibrahim Dantani Wushishi, the Registrar and Chief Executive of the National Examination Council (NECO) is a man on a clear mission. Providence had prepared him for such. He started a career as a soldier, got the training and discipline needed for the bigger goal which was to mold lives and shape destinies as an educator.
Today as a professor of science education, ย the Wushishi โ born academician sits on the driver seat of Nigeriaโs largest educational assessment body in fulfillment of a mission. Appointed inย 12 July 2021, following the death of NECOโs acting Registrar,ย Godswill Obioma on 31 May 2021, Prof. Dantani within three years in office has in his kitty 139 listed record of outstanding achievements. From successful conduct and timely release of examination results to breaking now grounds in technology applications for efficient delivery of services to staff welfare, NECO under Dantani was recognized far beyond the shores of Nigeria, earning the Chief Executive an election into a continental assessment body.
Prof. Dantani,ย until his appointment was the Head of Department and Sub-Dean, School of Science and Science Education at the Federal University of Technology, Minna. He also workedย as lecturer inย Usman Dan Fodio Universtity, Sokoto. He headed the Department of Science Educationย Ibrahim Badamosi Babangida University, Lapai.
In an exclusive interview with a team ofย News Investigators, Professor Dantani offers a deep insight into the workings of the largest examination body in Nigeria and the the prospect it holds for future academic excellence in the country. He has zero tolerance for cheating or other form of examination malpractices. He is determined to take NECO to another level with his 3-year Strategic Development Plan, with the deployment of AI and other modern digital devices at the core of the strategy. ย An ever busy administrator that he is but then, when asked how he manages to relax. Prof. Dantaniโs response was a retort from a word of reasoning from his aged fatherโฆIt is quite incisive, engaging and revealing as you read on.
Q:ย Oneย compelling reason for the establishment ofย NECO was toย relief WAEC the heavy load arising from increase population of students,ย butย the success recorded by NECO,ย particularly in the last three yearsย hasย ย earned it moreย responsibilities. NECO ย now conducts National Common Entrance Examination (NCEE), Basic Education Certificate Examination (BECE), in addition to the Senior Secondary Certificate Examination (SSCE). Howย areย you copingย withย this incredible feat?
A: It has not been an easyย one. When I came in,ย the condition which we metย NECOย at thatย timeย was a little bit getting stable. Because before then, there has been a series ofย crisis to the extentย that there was a presidentialย committee set up by theย thenย minister of education to investigate the causes. As a result ofย the committeeโsย recommendation, some people were dismissed from the council, someย had theirย appointmentย terminated and some were sanctioned. It was at this momentย that I took over after the death of the then substantive Chief Executive, Professor Obioma.
So, this was the situation I met the Council. And being the biggestย national examination body in the country that conducts conventional examination, we are saddled with theย responsibility of conducting examinations for candidates that are graduating fromย primary school to secondary school;ย for those that are interested in getting admissionย into the Unity colleges. And also the basic education certificate examination for thoseย that are graduating from the junior secondary school, class three to the seniorย secondary school, both in public and private schools. Then,ย the bigย examination which is the SSCE the senior school certificate examination, whichย we call an internal because it is school based. It is our largest examination. We also doย conduct same SSCE at a smaller scale for those that could not meet all the requirementย for admission into tertiary institution.
To have a first hand information, when I took over, I visited offices across the nation to find outย the situation of things as far as the work environment was concerned.ย We observedย a lot of infrastructuresย deficit. Basic items like chairsย andย tables were inadequate. No power generators in theย offices, no photocopiers.ย So many things were lacking at that time. We also hadย problems of logisticsย and because we conduct large scale examination, we requireย hugeย logistics.ย And when I took over, I missed the examination in 2021. We had very few vehicles that willย serve the council, grossly inadequate. ย Weย had toย borrow vehicles from JAMB, borrowedย from INEC. We also borrowed from small examination bodies likeย NAPTIP. I saw clearly theย need for us to reposition the council in such a way that staff would find it veryย convenient to work in order to be able to deliver effectively and efficiently onย our mandate.
So it was on this basis that we started repositioning the council by making provisions ย for some of theseย work infrastructures. We are conscious of the need toย make it easy for staff to work andย also in terms of staff welfare. So, we had to also improve staff welfare, even though ourย concept of making provisions in the workplace to make it conducive is also part ofย welfare of staff. Theย staffย need a conducive working environment, and by the timeย you do that the staff will be motivated.
Andย how do we reward those that are hardworking. How do we reward even a staff that hadย to serve the council and the staff is exiting after serving in the country for 35 years. So,ย we needed to motivate staff by making sure we made such provisions.
Q: You inherited a work environment at NECO that was clearly unhealthy. How did you manage to turn the situation around?
A: Beforeย weย came in, there was a proposal for welfare. Theย document was notย approved.ย When I came. I made sure that we dot all the Tโs and Iโs for that document toย be approved.ย I Implemented it. ย And youย know, where there is fairness, people wouldย appreciate and be ready toย work and you see tremendous progress in that line.
Before we came in, there was no work ethicsย so to say.ย Public Service regulations,ย the condition ofย service was not adequatelyย put to use in terms of allocating responsibilities to staff.ย There were a lot of misgivings, staff members wereย polarized along political,ย religious,ย ethnic lines. This hadย to do with the inadequaciesย inย allocating responsibilities toย staffs.
So, there was nepotismย and favouritism ย playing outย clearly. And a lot of people were notย happy with the situation. Aย lot of membersย of staff became victims of such, and they do notย fond it easy. So, when we came, we felt it was notย supposed to be so. We then looked at the situation and say, what do we do? The first thing weย did was to introduce the software that will enable a seamless working operation, one that does not allow lobbying under any guise.
Q:ย How did you handle the problems arising from conduct of exams?
A: We introduce E-supervisionย software where selection of supervisors is done digitally. So,ย ifย you are interested, you go to state offices. They give you code. You go back, log in and input all your data.ย The nomination will be done online. Weย also equally introduce a software thatย assists the examiners in facilitating the collation of the result. Becauseย there are some institutions or some states who register late and there are someย components of data that are supposed to be in the candidate data that might beย absent.
Thatย software will make it easy for you to locate that same candidateโs result, input theย missing data and process the results. We also purchase E-greenery that will giveย them easy access to current knowledge materials in their own discipline to be able toย develop items for examinations. We made provision for internet in the council,ย theย ICT department and the NECOย demonstration secondary schools. Our staff fond it easyย to assess the E-greenery data. We create an E-library where we domicile the E-greenery database. So, these are some of the things we were able to do.
Q: Your recent election into the Executive Council ofย the Association for Educational Assessment of Africa. What is in it for Nigeria?
A: Itย is an organization of assessment bodies in Africa. Every country that has assessment bodyย supposed to be part of that professionalย association. Itย is an avenue where experts in theย assessment industryย gather to share ideasย andย experiences from individual country to anotherย in order to improve the assessmentย systems of member countries.
Q:ย It is like a peer reviewย body?
A: Exactly, like a peer review kind ofโฆ And weย also have professional developers or assessment technologistsย that are also parts of the association. Whenever we haveย conferences, you have these manufacturers of assessment technologiesย coming toย display their devicesย andย software that has to do with assessment.ย It has aย system of recruiting executive membersย for the bodyย and this is done originally. We have West African representative, we have South Africaย representative, we haveย East African representative, like that. So, members from each region will gather toย nominate and elect representative of their own region. That was what happened inSouth Africa that got me into the Executive Council of AEAA.
Q: In the recently concluded 2024 SSCEย examinations,ย there were about 40 schools across 17 states,ย where your eagle-eyedย officials were able to detect some malfeasanceย and then youย promised to take action. How far have you gone onย that sir?
A: We have a process of dealing withย examination malpractices. As far as NECOย isย concerned, we have zero tolerance forย examination malpractices. We have therefore put measures in place to check examination malpractices. It occurs at different stages, i.e, ย before, during and after examinations. ย And since there are different types ofย examination malpractices. We have aย listย of them. So we tighten the nuts. We keep our eyes on how to identify theseย different types of malpracticesย before, during and after the examination.ย Even afterย the actualย examinations, we do detect malpracticesย during the marking of scripts. Inย the department of quality assurance, we have a division that is handling examination malpractices. The division is in charge of collating Information given to invigilators and monitors ofย examinations in the field to detect malpractices. After collecting all theseย reports, they have a committeeย thatย sitsย to look at the different reports and analyse it. Theyย are the ones responsible for determining the level of malpractice in each of theย examinations. And to curb malpractices,ย we physically involve uniform personnel to manย certain areas during examinations.ย We also employย the services of plain clothesย security agentsย that are deployed in all our centers across the nationย ย whenย examinations is going on, so apart from the fact that we have our internal examinationย monitors that will go round. Weย also have invigilators that are also conducting theย examinations at the centers.ย Theyย have forms that they fill whenever thereย are situations or somebody is caught cheating. We have also processes ofย sanctioning erring schools. Just like you said, 40 schools across 17 states. We gaveย them the benefit of fair hearing. We invitedย them to our headquarters here. Weย showedย them evidences of malpracticesย that hadย to do with their schools,ย practicalย evidence.ย So,ย they defendedย themselves.ย The way it is done is, if you have a defence, give us yourย defenceย but if you donโt have aย convincing defence then be sure we are going to apply appropriate sanction. The issue is,ย becauseย we have not been exploring the law, (Examination Malpractices Offences) Act No.ย 30. We felt itย is high time we start taking appropriate legal actionsย where we reallyย have toย prosecute those that weย caught with the issue ofย examination malpractices.
We have, Examination Malpractices Intelligence Committee. Theyย monitor the internet toย identify phishingย sites that engage in racketeering of examination questions.We have been able to tackleย that head long,ย so we are not sleeping. Right now, we are not having such challenges as far as theย current situationsย areย concerned. But then, this is not peculiar to Nigeria. The problem ofย phishingย site is a global phenomenon as far asย examination malpractices are concerned. We went toย an international conference, I thinkย it wasย in Jamaica, somebody fromย Indonesia, after presenting a paper on examination malpractices, I walked up to him andย asked how do you tackle this? How do we get you to collaborate with us to educate us on how to tackle examination malpractices? ย Itโs a global phenomenon. And these areย the avenues where we meet stakeholdersย from other countriesย andย share ideas.
At the home level. we organize sensitization programmesย forย the citizens. We have what weย call โSchoolย Challengeโ whichย isย a Radio programmeย being handled by FM 105.5, FM,ย Bida here and Radioย Nigeriaย F.M Station.ย We sponsor that to sensitize students on the illsย of examinationย malpractices.ย In 2022,ย we organized seminar in conjunction with the National Assembly. We organizedย seminarsย onย examination malpracticesย in Lagos, Abuja and South-South, specificallyย in Akwa ibomย state. We are making serious effort toย sensitizeย the populace on the illsย ofย exam malpractices. Also during examinations, we sponsor jingles on Televisions and Radios highlighting the illsย ofย examination malpracticesย across the nation.
Q:ย What are the challengesย confronting NECO?
A: We have several challenges confronting NECO. We have deficits inย officeย accommodation across the states. We are not drawingย appropriation for capitalย projects. As far as the council is concerned,ย for close to 20 years, weย have not beenย doing this. But weย are making effortsย and our effortsย have startedย yieldingย fruit. We areย currently building 10 offices across 10 states, threeย fundedย from our IGR, seven from theย effort we made to draw from the national appropriation in ย 2023.ย Soย we are making effortย to see that at least we close this deficitย gap. Provision of offices is aย challenge to NECO because 75% of our offices are rented apartments. We pay rent,ย so youย canย see the huge amount of money the Council has to spendย on payment of rent. And sometimes, we also enter into problem of litigation. Some of the landlords take theย Council to court as a result of one minor thing or the other. We also have to spendย money going to court to defend the Council. This for us is a big problem we have to resolve one and for all.
Weย also haveย challenges in the area ofย logistics, even though weย have been able to buy more than 75 brand new Hiluxย vehicles for staff and also for other logistics run during the examination. This added to our fleet. Whenย we had the opportunity to do that we didย not waste it, we bought these brand-new vehicles. Now,ย our logistic problems is reducing. But itย isย stillย a challengeย we need to surmount. Government is not giving usย money orย how do Iย put it? We do not receiveย overhead to run the Council. We are partially funded. We generate ourย money and they take 80% and theyย leave 20% ย forย us to run theย Council. So you find out that the issue of availability of funds is very critical toย ourย operation. Itย constitutesย one of the biggest challenges. Some journalists ย have been threatening. They said that we have not paid our examinersย three months after the examination and one month after we release the results. Ofย course, itย isย because we are financially constrained. Itย is not that we have notย been paying. Weย haveย been paying. The entire payment for examiners cut acrossย 24ย banks where we have to makeย the payment. About 72,000 of them. Yes, 72,000 examiners and out of this, we have paid more than 40,000 examiners where we are payingย bank to bank.ย And as a result of money constraint, we have to waitย to have some payment from states that have taken loan from us to conduct the examination. After conducting the examination, they pay for the studentsย they haveย subscribed for. We have to follow up onย them for them to make payments. Weย cannot make payment when the money ย is outside.ย We have to followย up to get the money and we make payment before they start complaining and writingย on it.ย Asย of November, we had paid 21 banks before 8thย of November,ย (2024)ย when they started complaining, we had paid 21 banks out of 24,ย only three banksย remained, And today, Mondayย ( 11thย November),ย weย paid the 22nd banksย and we have only two banks left and people are complainingย that we are exhibiting negligence attitude towards paying remuneration. We doย not blame them. They have the right. You know, we appreciate their input. As far as the ad-hoc responsibility we gave them is concerned, they did their workย and they areย expecting that after the workย we give them their money. We have not been owing becauseย since I came in, we have not delayed any payment. We are always mindful of this once we have such money, not even our staff,ย people we engageย their servicesย onย ad-hoc basis to assist us on this job. It is in our collectiveย interest not just in theย interest of the council alone. ย It is not out ofย negligence that we haveย not been able to pay it. It was becauseย we have monies held there in the states that have not been paid and we are assuring them before the end of theย week, we know we are going to clear everything by the grace of God, so they shouldย also be patient. (Note that all payment were completed on Wednesday 13thย as promised by the Registrar.)
Q: When will NECO embrace computer-based test?
A: As soon as possible, whenย the situation is ripe for it.ย We doย not want to jumpย into the fog environment of conducting CBT test or examinations. No!ย We have toย ensure that when once we goย into it, we are going into fully prepared as a professional assessmentย body that wherever and whenever we conduct examination, the resultsย wouldย be valid, reliableย andย authentic.ย Itย will be respected and acceptable by the consumers ofย the results, because certainly people have to consume it, or institutions have toย consume it. We doย notย want to give results that the consumers wouldย be apprehensiveย about consuming the result. So we are taking our time planning to ensure that at leastย once we made every provision necessary for the take-off, the public will see us conducting CBT and the resultsย would be full-proof. It will be very credible. Allย stakeholders will come and see how we are conducting it. We areย hoping that onceย we start conducting CBT, it will be hitch-free.
Q: What is your vision for NECO Sir?
A: My vision forย NECO is articulatedย and encapsulatedย inย a documentย we calledย Three-years Strategicย Development Plan. We have introduced a three year strategicย development plan forย NECO for the first time. Our vision, our mission and specific activities that will makeย us to achieve that is enunciated in that document. The issue of CBT, theย issue of artificial intelligence, are all part of the componentsย of that strategic plan. Weย have to move in the direction the storm is moving in the globe, so that we are not left behind. We are making sure that we do that. Right now,ย we have a proposal between NECO and the Enugu State Government. They wantย NECOย to conduct the basic examination using CBT, and we have given them a two yearย grace for accreditation. At the end of the two yearsย grace,ย we will go to Enugu State to assess their facilities and their state of readiness for CBTย examination to be conducted by NECO. That will be a litmus test for the conduct ofย NECO CBT. We can do that using the national common entrance, because all theย examinations of the national common entrance and the national gifted examinations areย conducted on the basis of multiple choice. So it is easy that we conduct that and weย have our results easily transmitted and processed within a very short period. Butย there are a lot of challenges that will come with it. The provisionย of infrastructure, which has to do with provision of computer centres that are well-equipped with computers. So also isย the security of the centres. We also require at the centres CCTVย logistics. There is a huge infrastructure input at every CBT center. And what we need toย do to achieve that is finance. Without it, we will not be able to do it or purchase and manage the centers. There are some centers across the world, there are some institutions thatย areย professionals in providing the backbone needed for CBT. Weย will look at those ones that are veryย credible to see how we couldย be able to do that. To conduct a CBT, forย example, for our major examination toย continue to recordย increase in number ofย candidates from 1.1million ย now to 1.3 million candidates. You imagine in 76 subjects that weย conduct examination at that level, 76 subjectsย and close to 200 different papers acrossย the 76 subjects. Youย imagine each of theseย subjects has also a multiple choice options of an examination. So if you take three subjects, for example, English, Maths, Civicย Education, if you register letโs say 1.3 million candidates, this 1.3 million candidatesย will sit forย multiple choice. So you find that only on three subjects, you will conduct examination forย close to 4 million candidates. CBT for 4 million candidates. So itย is not going to be anย easy task to provideย infrastructure. We do not have to just jump into the fog of conductingย CBT. We have to be seriously prepared toย deliver effectively and efficientlyย on such commitment. We doย not want to have a situation where we start conductingย examinationย and candidates will go to the center and we say no, go back and comeย tomorrowย because the serversย orย the computers are giving us problems after keepingย themย for hours at the center and at the end of the dayย theyย could notย even write the examination. The moraleย of the candidates would be dampened.ย We donโtย want to get ourselves into such such a situation.
Q: There was this controversy about the age bracket, 18 years for students to go intoย higher institution. Whatโs your take on this?
A:ย Well, I think now it is a thing of the past because the minister said he has abolishedย it. But for me as an educator, I sat with theย formerย minister in the National Assemblyย when we were invited. The minister also invited us to those events. The members wereย contesting it. Well, you do simple calculation, 6-3-3-4, six years of primary. And if you go by the national policy on education, six years of primary, three in junior secondary, three in senior secondary. There is one year of nursery school for public school, one year nursery and six-year primary that is seven. That is 17years. Youย are expected to start nursery one at a level that you can identify symbols. If you go by some learning theories, theย learning theory onย behavioralย development, you willย find out that you canย notย do that in less than threeย years. So it will be either four or five. So if you must be four years before you start,ย nursery one , 4 plus 17ย gives you an idea of the age bracket.
Q: That will be 21
A: That will be 21. Youย will be 21 before you start university. In those days where youย must cross your hand to touch your ears. Your hand will never touch your ears if you areย not seven years old. In those days, we did such thing. And at that time, we even didย seven years of primary education. So, by the time Iย finished primary school, I was 14ย -15years and I had to do up toย five years in secondary school, that is 19 years so and I said it and I quoted the theoryย because it stated the ages of cognitive development. So if you go by that inย Nigeria, when you follow it strictly, it will be 18 or more than 18 before you get into the university.
Q: We will not finish this interview without asking, how from your very tight schedule, how do you relax?
A: The work is my relaxation.
Q:ย How?
A: Yes, the work is my relaxation. It is what gives me pleasure. If it gives meย pleasure, it means it gives me an opportunity to relaxย as well. Yes,ย just like whenย myย father wouldย sayย to one of my friends whoย doesย not understand Hausa. He told me to tell ourย father that, Daddy, you have usย already, it is time for you to restย since you have us at this level. Then, my Dadย said I should tell him. That heย agreed he hadย us but that he should know that he would not rest until he gets into his grave. For me, it is the same thinking. You are called to serve humanity.ย What rest are you looking for?ย You have to put in your own effort to make sure that, based on your capacity, youย have been able to do your best and you are living the rest to God. That is when youย have peace of mind. That is when you have some relaxation.
Q:ย But donโt youย think youย are eatingย into the timeย you are supposed to spend withย the family. The time they should be with you?
A: They should also understand that it is Godโs job. Andย also aย national assignment. It is Godโs work we are doing. Onceย you are conscious of the fact that you will be held accountable for the responsibility that he hasย beenย givenย toย youย by God some day, you have no option than just to give your best and leave the rest to God.ย Once you are satisfied, you have given your best, thatโsย all. Noย matter how difficult it is,ย this is where I derive my pleasure.